Sunday, September 5, 2010

MADAX WEYN DIR MAXAA KU QASAY OROMO READ FORUM

Traditional Somali dagger is clearly visible on the hips of every grown up Somali man who reached at the age of manhood. The traditional dagger mounted on the hip is known as "Golxob".But travellers should never try to tamper with Somali daggers.

Ethiopia which it imports through Dire Dawa. Dire Dawa (dirrir dhaba) is a Somali name which simply means "a place of fighting".

There is an old man who hand-feeds some 50 hyenas every night, treating them like kittens. The "heynaman" is considered as the main tourist attraction of Harar. He inherited the art of communicating with hyenas from his late father.

There´s nothing much to see at Babile as tourists, except the tall natural rocks that lie on top of one another, similar to that of Britain´s ancient Darrington-Stonehenge and the natural mineral waterfalls. The Babilians believe that the natural waterfalls, now under the control of a bottling company in Harar, could cure people suffering from chronic rheumatism. Babile is located on a high ground overlooking the Erer river where, in the evening one could see the illuminating lights of Harar and Fanyaanbiira.It is a groundnut producing district where the Oromo speaking Madigan Somalis and the Nooles were living side-by-side in peace for centuries.Fanyaanbiira, whose residents are mainly the Toljacle and Eto of Oromo, marks the natural boundary between Somalis and their compatriot Islamic Oromo. It is a rich agricultural district known for its quality coffee and variety of grain production.

These Oromo Kingdoms and Confederations were the Arfan-Qallo (Oborra, Ala, Noole and Babile),

In arab language, the word "Gal-la" was used as an insult to enemies of Islam.

In Somali language, the word is used the same way and the words "gaal" or "Gaalo" means infidel, anti-Islam and pagan. Why did Somalis insult oromos this way or does it have connection to expansion of Arsi Oromos near Somali lands??

Yeah right, only you omit to mention that the word in Somali (and btw the word in Somali isnt Galla) Gaal basically has several meanings, interesting you omit many others uses of the word.

Meaning1 Gaal =non Muslim
Meaning2 Gaal= a white person
Meaning 3 =a non Somali who is also a non Muslim.
Meaning 4 =A white Muslim person will not be described as Gaal.
Meaning5= A non Muslim Somali will be called Gaal..

And Gaalo is plural btw...


Context: Gaal isnt a degrading term, it does not imply all the ugly connotions that the Ethiopian context of the word has, it is not a word filled with hate and subjucation of others and it is not a word that harms. It is just a word used to identify a non Muslim .

Somali Family Tree

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Darood as well as all of Darood's sons married Dir wives, but the exact Dir clans are not known. Dir is the son of Aji son of Irir son of Samaale son of Hiil. Dir had four sons who left descendants, Mehe Issa, Medelug and Madahweyn. A fifth clan was invented for non-Dir clans who married into the Dir and who were Dir via marriage, called Qaldo, but these clans are not paternally Dir. The Isaaq are considered by Dir to be Mehe Dir as one of Isaaq's wives was Mehe, but Isaaq themselves do not consider themselves to be Dir. Oddly enough Darood are not considered to be Dir, but the custom of clans becoming Dir by marriage had perhaps not arisen yet.
I think in essence your 2 points I underlined are the same thing, which is the primary reason there are no non-muslim somalis (generally speaking in the historical context). But I agree with alot of your points.

I looked at you table and I want to point out on the Oromo side, the line is Baabbile-Qallo-Humbanna-Bareento/Bareentuma.

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Darood as well as all of Darood's sons married Dir wives, but the exact Dir clans are not known. Dir is the son of Aji son of Irir son of Samaale son of Hiil. Dir had four sons who left descendants, Mehe Issa, Medelug and Madahweyn. A fifth clan was invented for non-Dir clans who married into the Dir and who were Dir via marriage, called Qaldo, but these clans are not paternally Dir.
Qaldho is from my understanding a mispronunciation of Qallo. And it's not that it was invented, if you're familiar with the Oromo tree Qallo is the son of Humbanna. Maternally I'm not sure since the Oromo clan system is entirely patrilineal.
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Originally Posted by Qeeyroo
I think in essence your 2 points I underlined are the same thing, which is the primary reason there are no non-muslim somalis (generally speaking in the historical context). But I agree with alot of your points.

I looked at you table and I want to point out on the Oromo side, the line is Baabbile-Qallo-Humbanna-Bareento/Bareentuma.




Qaldho is from my understanding a mispronunciation of Qallo. And it's not that it was invented, if you're familiar with the Oromo tree Qallo is the son of Humbanna. Maternally I'm not sure since the Oromo clan system is entirely patrilineal.
Interesting. Genetically by Y-DNA the Somali of non-Arab descent are closer to the Borana than the Barentu, but this doesn't consider matrilinear descent. According to the Dir, the descendants of Qaldho include many difficult-to-place clans like the Jarso, Babili, Warday,Gabraha,Randile and Geeldhicis, and the infamously difficult to place Ajuran.

Originally Posted by James
Interesting. Genetically by Y-DNA the Somali of non-Arab descent are closer to the Borana than the Barentu, but this doesn't consider matrilinear descent. According to the Dir, the descendants of Qaldho include many difficult-to-place clans like the Jarso, Babili, Warday,Gabraha,Randile and Geeldhicis, and the infamously difficult to place Ajuran.
The Dir that neighbour us from my knowledge haven't ever disputed that Qallo decendents are limited to 4 in number. It's pretty well known, infact the complete term is Afran-Qallo meaning the four decendents of Qallo which are Ala, Oborra, Dagaa (Noole & Jaarso), and Baabbile. Others that aren't familiar with the area may say otherwise, but it really isn't a disputed subject among neighbouring Oromos and Somalis. If Gabra and 'Gabraha' are the same, they are Oromo but fall under Borana. Randile are a completely different group. That's a pretty messy list in general.

Ajuran are close to Borana and share alot in common, but they are Somali nonetheless. I'm curious about where Somalis place Akichuu (Aakisho). Dir aswell?
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The Ajuran origin is a mystery to me, though they were related somehow to the Muzaffar dynasty of Mogadishu. In terms of their clan, they are related by marriage to the Jambele Hawiye, and the Samaale claim they are descended from Meqare Samaale. The Ajuran themselves however claim descent from Shambal ibn Abu Talib (who doesn't exist). What I do know is that around 1400 or 1500 they conquered the then-Waaqa Hawiye and other tribes in Lower Shabelle, then some time later up the coast as far as Hobyo and all the way up the Shabelle to Qalaafe, where they established their capital. They later conquered Bay and Bakool and up to the Juba.

All these conquests were against people referred to as "the Galla". There is no record of mass migrations of Oromo out of Somalia in this period however, and the Galla in question are simply non-Muslim Somali.

Their fall from power was a multi-stage one. First the Hawiye rebelled in the Middle Shabelle and Mudug regions, then later on the Geledi rebelled in Lower Shabelle and took Bay and Bakool from them up to the Juba. Finally the Ogaden Darod finished them off on Qalaafo in the 17th or 18th centuries.

The Akisho are Madaweyn Dir. Interesting. There are a number of clans that are considered to be "pre-Somali", do you recognize any of these?

Hinjinleh
Magdleh
Turyer
Yibir
Madhibaan aka Gaboye aka Midgan
Tomal
Yahar
Ainanshe
Lo'jir
Gehaile
Jibrahil
Idrais
Dod
Waramiyo
Warakiyo
Diriye
Ainanshe, only heard of this group after the war, and Diriye very recently if you now the history I would really appreciate it if you could share....



The Yibir are descendants of Muhammed bin Hanif, known as "Boqor Bur Bayr", who was the king of Hargeisa in the 11th or 12th century. According to legend Yuusuf al-Kawnayn defeated him in a battle of religious power and trapped him in a mountain, and that because of this the Somali owe blood debt to all of his descendants.

Most of the tribes listed above live in Ceerigaabo and live among one clan or another that lives in that city. The Lo'jir for instance tend the flocks of the Warsangeli and Dulbahante. Only the Madhibaan are really despised, but I believe that has more to do with history, as Madhibaan were feared for centuries for being armed with deadly poison tipped arrows and excellent bowmen, who would twang their bowstrings if they were feeling malicious.

The history of the "Pre-Somali" is a mystery to me, and I don't think that they have been the subject of anyone's study. For instance many Somali do not know that they keep their own Abtirsi, but they do. The Tumal, Yibir and Madhibaan for instance are a clan group, referred to as the Baidari.


Interesting Thanks James For The Great Somali History
I Have A Question Jibrahil I Know In Kenya Its Sub-clan Of Degodia Or Is Different One U R Refering Or Its Same?.if Same Jibrahil Is It Not Sub Clan Of Degodia?
It's possible that originally Darood was considered to be Dir like Isaaq is today, but if so it's far enough back in history that no-one remembers it.

Mainly this is just due to two different kinship systems. The clans that were there when Darood and later Isaaq arrived traced kinship via the female as well as the male line, whereas the Arabian kinship system is strictly paternal, and often times the wives aren't even mentioned in the genealogies, unless it was really important (Like Fatima being the wife of Ali).


These lo'jirs can fight.

DirDawa is a Oromo town ruled by Oromo and whose current minister is Oromo. Essa nor Gurgure who is a diya paying sub clan of the Noloha, Arsi Oromo have no control over DirDawa. The Dir subclans claim Oromo origins in Ogadenia why join ONLF a Somali movement when they should join there Oromo brothers OLF.


the noole are afran qallo not arsi oromo and some claim they are originally dir too.


Yes..Cabdi was famous indeed...But for me...Moalin Qaasim was because I never new that Cabdi Muxumed hailed from that clan...

Waddadii cadayd cagta saarnayee, ku caraabiyoo....
Cimrigii jiryoo, jiryo jiryo caynaanka hay, hay hay weliga hay..
Kii ciil qabee, cunto gooni rabay, ciidda ha cunee

Folks who are calling every one Dir, don't they know that:

Daaroodkaba camalkoodaa caddeeyee, inay Dir ahaayeen

Gurgure is a confederacy of sub clans who are blacksmith, merchants and peasants. They have been oppressed by the Oromo and have claimed Dir. The noole are Oromo why would an Oromo claim Dir. Its the Gurgure who claim Noole as they were conquered by them and centuries of gumeysi.

What does the ONLF need with a minority such as Essa or Gurgure when major sub clans of the Darood in Ogadenia would be more of an asset then a liability.

. Dire Dawa is a Gurgure and Essa Town. On top of the City Council it states ' The City Council of Gurgure and Essa and Dire Dawa'.

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Dire Dawa is as Gurgure and Essa as Badhan and Dahar are Warsangalli, as Ceerigabo is Musa Ismail.

2. Oromo live in the West of the City near the mountain ranges.
Both the the Issa and Gurgura Liberation Front and the Oromo Liberation Front claim the city;

3. Gurgure is Somalia, my uncle is married to a Gurgure.

necocon Gurgure would outnumber Warsangalli 4/1 you just a ignorant and stupid fish face langaab.

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